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Alfa Romeo 159 (prve fotke i testovi generalna diskusija)
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GostGo
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Jedna od najzanimljivijih stvari (bar za mene) jeste dogovor u okviru GM grupacije da se benzinski motori za Afla Romeo rade u Opelovim pogonima, dok se dizeli za Opele rade u Fiatovim fabrikama. Ta razmena tehnologije u kojoj nemci priznaju da su italijanski dizeli bolji, dok italijani to isto rade za nemacke benzince je fascinantna! Evropa se definitvno mnogo dobro organizuje i sve je moguce, nema predrasuda.
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Ne prave se motori za Alfu u Nemackoj. Blok je GM, Holden, Australija, a ostalo je Alfino. I ja bih voleo da je Fiat nezavistan, ali je u takvom finasijskom kolapsu da ce mu trebati pod hitno strateski partner...suska se o Fordu. Pametno su izradili GM, izvukli su dosta koristi, ali mora Grande Punto da uspe, pa posle njega naslednik Stila, inace ce da bude totalni kolaps...
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JTS jeste Alfin sistem, ali to nisu motori. Blokovi 4-cilindricnih motora su GM, dok je V6 Holden
"However, after so many years the old architecture has run out of potential thus Alfa decided to replace it with GM's global V6. This engine was developed and manufactured by Holden in Australia and has been widely used in various Holdens, Cadillac CTS, Buick LaCrosse, Saab 9-3, Opel Vectra OPC etc. Alfa 159 chose the 3.2-litre version, completed with dual continuous VVT ? a significant advance over the old V6. "
"The same story goes for the inline-4 engines. Alfa replaced its 1.6 twin-spark and 2.0 JTS engine with a couple of new engines based on GM's L850 engine (see various Opel). The L850 has all alloy construction thus is 20% lighter than the outgoing engines. Its dual continuous variable valve timing is also much more advanced than the outgoing two-step, intake side only VVT, ensuring at least 88% maximum torque available from 2000 rpm. Like the old engines, it has twin balancer shafts to eliminate vibration normally associated with inline-4 engines. Again, Alfa added its own cylinder head and intake manifolds to produce a lovely engine note. JTS direct injection raises compression ratio to 11.3:1. The 1.9-litre version produces 160 hp and 140 lbft of torque, compare with the old 1.6 twin-spark's 120 hp / 107 lbft. The 2.2-litre version produces 185 hp and 170 lbft, up from the old 2.0 JTS' 165 hp / 152 lbft. These offset the 200 kg weight gain the 159 got. "
"In the diesel side, Alfa shares engines with the whole Fiat group ? the leader of diesel engines in the industry. Basically, its Multijet technology is still the best for refinement and consumption. Now also with the highest specific power in the class. The new 2.4 JTDM 5-cylinder 20V engine produces 200hp and 295 lbft. 1.9 JTDM 16V produces 150hp and 236 lbft. 1.9 JTDM 10V produces 120hp and 206 lbft. All of them employs VTG turbocharger and particle filter."
"However, after so many years the old architecture has run out of potential thus Alfa decided to replace it with GM's global V6. This engine was developed and manufactured by Holden in Australia and has been widely used in various Holdens, Cadillac CTS, Buick LaCrosse, Saab 9-3, Opel Vectra OPC etc. Alfa 159 chose the 3.2-litre version, completed with dual continuous VVT ? a significant advance over the old V6. "
"The same story goes for the inline-4 engines. Alfa replaced its 1.6 twin-spark and 2.0 JTS engine with a couple of new engines based on GM's L850 engine (see various Opel). The L850 has all alloy construction thus is 20% lighter than the outgoing engines. Its dual continuous variable valve timing is also much more advanced than the outgoing two-step, intake side only VVT, ensuring at least 88% maximum torque available from 2000 rpm. Like the old engines, it has twin balancer shafts to eliminate vibration normally associated with inline-4 engines. Again, Alfa added its own cylinder head and intake manifolds to produce a lovely engine note. JTS direct injection raises compression ratio to 11.3:1. The 1.9-litre version produces 160 hp and 140 lbft of torque, compare with the old 1.6 twin-spark's 120 hp / 107 lbft. The 2.2-litre version produces 185 hp and 170 lbft, up from the old 2.0 JTS' 165 hp / 152 lbft. These offset the 200 kg weight gain the 159 got. "
"In the diesel side, Alfa shares engines with the whole Fiat group ? the leader of diesel engines in the industry. Basically, its Multijet technology is still the best for refinement and consumption. Now also with the highest specific power in the class. The new 2.4 JTDM 5-cylinder 20V engine produces 200hp and 295 lbft. 1.9 JTDM 16V produces 150hp and 236 lbft. 1.9 JTDM 10V produces 120hp and 206 lbft. All of them employs VTG turbocharger and particle filter."
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"The so-called "Premium platform" was originally a joint development between Alfa and Saab, but in the mid-way of development Saab pulled out because it thought the platform too expensive for its declining image ? a thing unsurprising if you see the Chevrolet Trailblazer-based Saab 9-7X. As a result, Alfa finished the remaining work by its own. Maybe that is why the 159 can preserve its own character."
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SashaSa
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Da se vratimo na test iz AMS-a. Danas citam hrvatsko izdanje i prvi put da sam u jednom testiranju ovakve vrste cuo(procitao) dve reci(kljucne):za vozne osobine je receno da je 159-a "razvalila" konkurenciju,a za izgled, "ubedljivo" najlepsi auto na testu.
Sta reci za 8 mesto osim,
Sta reci za 8 mesto osim,
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GostGo
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Malopre sam bacio pogled na test izmedju Alfe 156 1.9 JTS (160ks) i BMW 320i (150 ks)., u Autobildu. BMW je pobedio sa nekih 20 bodova razlike, a pojedinacno u svakoj kategoriji. Nisam detaljno citao test, samo bacio pogled na performanse...
BMW je u svim kategorijama ubrzanja i medjuubrzanja bolji od Alfe, maksimalna brzina veca, potrosnja niza, raspored mase 49:51 (Alfa 61:39), kraci kocioni put, sa istom opremom kosta 850 evra vise....
BMW je u svim kategorijama ubrzanja i medjuubrzanja bolji od Alfe, maksimalna brzina veca, potrosnja niza, raspored mase 49:51 (Alfa 61:39), kraci kocioni put, sa istom opremom kosta 850 evra vise....
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starac vujadin
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Test u Auto Bildu, ima puno teksta, u principu hvale Alfu, ali to je samo stos da bi jos vise izdigli BMW. Fali joj tih 100cm3 sa tolikom tezinom, sto jes` jes...Ako neki pojam ne rzumete pomoci cu...
Werksangaben Alfa Romeo BMW
Hubraum 1859 cm? 1995 cm?
kW (PS) bei U/min 118 (160)/6500 110 (150)/6200
Nm bei U/min 190/4500 200/3600
Höchstgeschwindigkeit 212 km/h 220 km/h
Getriebe 6-Gang manuell 6-Gang manuell
Antrieb Frontantrieb Hinterradantrieb
Bremsen (vorn/hinten) Scheiben/Scheiben Scheiben/Scheiben
Testwagenbereifung 215/55 R 16 V 205/55 R 16 W
Abgas CO2 205 g/km 178 g/km
Verbrauch* 12,2 l/6,6 l/8,7 l 10,7 l/5,6 l/7,4 l
Tankinhalt/Kraftstoffsorte 70 l/Super 63 l/Super plus
Vorbeifahrgeräusch 73 dB (A) 72 dB (A)
Anhängelast gebremst/ungebremst 1500 kg/500 kg 1400 kg/695 kg
Testwerte
Bremsen kalt/warm aus 100 km/h 37,5/38,4 m 35,9/35,9 m
Beschleunigung 0-50/0-100 km/h 3,3/10,4 s 2,9/9,5 s
Elastizität 60-100/80-120 km/h** 10,0/15,4 s 9,5/16,4 s
Verbrauch min./max./gesamt 6,7/14,0/9,6 l/100 km 6,1/11,2/8,1 l/100 km
Reichweite 730 km 780 km
Innengeräusch 50/100/130 km/h 58/65/69 dB (A) 60/67/70 dB (A)
Gewichtsverteilung vorn/hinten 61/39 % 49/51 %
Leergewicht/Zuladung 1585/415 kg 1450/390 kg
* innerorts/außerorts/gesamt auf 100 km; ** 4. und höchster Gang
ocene redakcije po razlicitim kategorijama:
Wertung Alfa Romeo BMW max
Platzangebot/Variabilität 27 29 40
Kofferraum/Zuladung 15 14 30
Sitze/Sitzposition 26 28 30
RaumgefĂĽhl/Rundumsicht 14 15 20
Ausstattung/Bedienbarkeit 24 25 30
Sicherheitsausstattung 26 23 30
Qualität/Materialien 17 18 20
Karosserie 149 152 200
Fahrleistungen 26 28 40
Fahrverhalten 27 29 30
Fahrgeräusche 7 5 10
Fahrkomfort 23 24 30
Getriebe 15 16 20
Lenkung (Wendekreis) 15 18 20
Motoreigenschaften 15 16 20
Bremsen 20 27 30
Antrieb/Fahrwerk 148 163 200
Steuer/Versicherung 16 17 20
Verbrauch/Umwelt 21 26 30
Garantie 8 6 20
Wartung 18 17 20
Aufpreisgestaltung 8 7 10
Unterhaltskosten 71 73 100
Testergebnis 368 388 500
Rezime Alfe:
Ein Auto für emotionale Menschen mit Sinn für Design und Hang zur Individualität. Solide Sportlimousine in guter Qualität, günstige Aufpreise.
Rezime BMW
Eine rundum hervorragende Sportlimousine, perfekt durchdacht, top verarbeitet, mit ausreichend Platz. Der Zweiliter reicht für den Alltag völlig aus.
Grundpreis 61 56 80
Wiederverkauf 16 19 20
Gesamtergebnis 445 463 600
Werksangaben Alfa Romeo BMW
Hubraum 1859 cm? 1995 cm?
kW (PS) bei U/min 118 (160)/6500 110 (150)/6200
Nm bei U/min 190/4500 200/3600
Höchstgeschwindigkeit 212 km/h 220 km/h
Getriebe 6-Gang manuell 6-Gang manuell
Antrieb Frontantrieb Hinterradantrieb
Bremsen (vorn/hinten) Scheiben/Scheiben Scheiben/Scheiben
Testwagenbereifung 215/55 R 16 V 205/55 R 16 W
Abgas CO2 205 g/km 178 g/km
Verbrauch* 12,2 l/6,6 l/8,7 l 10,7 l/5,6 l/7,4 l
Tankinhalt/Kraftstoffsorte 70 l/Super 63 l/Super plus
Vorbeifahrgeräusch 73 dB (A) 72 dB (A)
Anhängelast gebremst/ungebremst 1500 kg/500 kg 1400 kg/695 kg
Testwerte
Bremsen kalt/warm aus 100 km/h 37,5/38,4 m 35,9/35,9 m
Beschleunigung 0-50/0-100 km/h 3,3/10,4 s 2,9/9,5 s
Elastizität 60-100/80-120 km/h** 10,0/15,4 s 9,5/16,4 s
Verbrauch min./max./gesamt 6,7/14,0/9,6 l/100 km 6,1/11,2/8,1 l/100 km
Reichweite 730 km 780 km
Innengeräusch 50/100/130 km/h 58/65/69 dB (A) 60/67/70 dB (A)
Gewichtsverteilung vorn/hinten 61/39 % 49/51 %
Leergewicht/Zuladung 1585/415 kg 1450/390 kg
* innerorts/außerorts/gesamt auf 100 km; ** 4. und höchster Gang
ocene redakcije po razlicitim kategorijama:
Wertung Alfa Romeo BMW max
Platzangebot/Variabilität 27 29 40
Kofferraum/Zuladung 15 14 30
Sitze/Sitzposition 26 28 30
RaumgefĂĽhl/Rundumsicht 14 15 20
Ausstattung/Bedienbarkeit 24 25 30
Sicherheitsausstattung 26 23 30
Qualität/Materialien 17 18 20
Karosserie 149 152 200
Fahrleistungen 26 28 40
Fahrverhalten 27 29 30
Fahrgeräusche 7 5 10
Fahrkomfort 23 24 30
Getriebe 15 16 20
Lenkung (Wendekreis) 15 18 20
Motoreigenschaften 15 16 20
Bremsen 20 27 30
Antrieb/Fahrwerk 148 163 200
Steuer/Versicherung 16 17 20
Verbrauch/Umwelt 21 26 30
Garantie 8 6 20
Wartung 18 17 20
Aufpreisgestaltung 8 7 10
Unterhaltskosten 71 73 100
Testergebnis 368 388 500
Rezime Alfe:
Ein Auto für emotionale Menschen mit Sinn für Design und Hang zur Individualität. Solide Sportlimousine in guter Qualität, günstige Aufpreise.
Rezime BMW
Eine rundum hervorragende Sportlimousine, perfekt durchdacht, top verarbeitet, mit ausreichend Platz. Der Zweiliter reicht für den Alltag völlig aus.
Grundpreis 61 56 80
Wiederverkauf 16 19 20
Gesamtergebnis 445 463 600
Acqua-Olio-Benzina
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kilsonki
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Tezhak nacionalizam kod Nemaca, uk*njali se da ce im 159-ka ukrasti kupce...
Znachi hipotetichki gledano; Chisto da uporedimo master test "Auto Motor und Sport" i "Auto Bild", ako su oba testa realna znachi da bi u ovih 20 bodova koje deli Alfu i Bmw stalo SHEST (6) modela drugih proizvodjacha!!!
I prichamo o nekoj relnosti testa..??????????????????????? SRAMOTA!!!!
Master test berline classe media
gioved? 06 ottobre 2005 15:00:26 CEST da Luca
Gi? se ne parla nei commenti, quindi pubblichiamo i risultati del master test delle berline di classe medie condotto da Motor Presse (editore di Auto Motor und Sport e altre testate automobilistiche) e ripubblicato da Quattroruote:
Posizione Auto Punteggio
1. BMW 320d........................417
2. Mercedes C220.................411
3. Audi A4 2.0 TDI................405
4. VW Passat 20 TDI.............400
5. Ford Mondeo 2.2 TDCi.......391
6. Peugeot 407 2.0 HDi.........389
7. Honda Accord 2.2 i-CTDi...388
8. Alfa 159...........................382
9. Toyota Avensis 2.2 D-4D....---
10. Opel Vectra 1.9 CDTI........---
11. Saab 9-3 1.9TiD................---
Nelle discussioni che si sono viste in rete in questi giorni, molti hanno puntato il dito sulla bassa posizione della Alfa 159 e sul presunto nazionalismo di Motor Presse, per la presenza di cinque auto tedesche nei primi cinque posti della classifica.
Znachi hipotetichki gledano; Chisto da uporedimo master test "Auto Motor und Sport" i "Auto Bild", ako su oba testa realna znachi da bi u ovih 20 bodova koje deli Alfu i Bmw stalo SHEST (6) modela drugih proizvodjacha!!!
I prichamo o nekoj relnosti testa..??????????????????????? SRAMOTA!!!!
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SashaSa
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Ovde ima mnogo nelogicnosti:
1.da li je rec o 156 ili 159 posto 156 NEMA motor od 1859 kubika,nego 1970!!!
2.156 2.0 JTS ima 165ks,a ne 160 i ima ubrzanje 0-100=8,2 i Vmax=220km/h!!!!
+ post starca v.BRABUS napisao:Malopre sam bacio pogled na test izmedju Alfe 156 1.9 JTS (160ks) i BMW 320i (150 ks)., u Autobildu. BMW je pobedio sa nekih 20 bodova razlike, a pojedinacno u svakoj kategoriji. Nisam detaljno citao test, samo bacio pogled na performanse...
BMW je u svim kategorijama ubrzanja i medjuubrzanja bolji od Alfe, maksimalna brzina veca, potrosnja niza, raspored mase 49:51 (Alfa 61:39), kraci kocioni put, sa istom opremom kosta 850 evra vise....
Ovde ima mnogo nelogicnosti:
1.da li je rec o 156 ili 159 posto 156 NEMA motor od 1859 kubika,nego 1970!!!
2.156 2.0 JTS ima 165ks,a ne 160 i ima ubrzanje 0-100=8,2 i Vmax=220km/h!!!!
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starac vujadin
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GostGo
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Naravno, pisao sam o 159-tki....i to je taj test cije je rezultate starac kopirao
Ups...tek sad vidim da sam pogresioSasha napisao:+ post starca v.BRABUS napisao:Malopre sam bacio pogled na test izmedju Alfe 156 1.9 JTS (160ks) i BMW 320i (150 ks)., u Autobildu. BMW je pobedio sa nekih 20 bodova razlike, a pojedinacno u svakoj kategoriji. Nisam detaljno citao test, samo bacio pogled na performanse...
BMW je u svim kategorijama ubrzanja i medjuubrzanja bolji od Alfe, maksimalna brzina veca, potrosnja niza, raspored mase 49:51 (Alfa 61:39), kraci kocioni put, sa istom opremom kosta 850 evra vise....
Ovde ima mnogo nelogicnosti:
1.da li je rec o 156 ili 159 posto 156 NEMA motor od 1859 kubika,nego 1970!!!
2.156 2.0 JTS ima 165ks,a ne 160 i ima ubrzanje 0-100=8,2 i Vmax=220km/h!!!!
Naravno, pisao sam o 159-tki....i to je taj test cije je rezultate starac kopirao
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GostGo
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I jedna novost - danas sam zakazao test drive Alfe 159 za sredu, tako da ce da bude full izvestaj 
Hteo sam da probam 2.4 JTD M, al je nema jos na nemackom trzistu. Jedino sto ovde u auto kuci u kojoj sam bio imaju je 159 1.9 JTD 16v (160ks) tamno siva metalik....benzinaca trenutno nema kao test-vozila (inace, 70% Alfi prodatih 2004 u Nemackoj su dizeli)
Jedva cekam sredu
Hteo sam da probam 2.4 JTD M, al je nema jos na nemackom trzistu. Jedino sto ovde u auto kuci u kojoj sam bio imaju je 159 1.9 JTD 16v (160ks) tamno siva metalik....benzinaca trenutno nema kao test-vozila (inace, 70% Alfi prodatih 2004 u Nemackoj su dizeli)
Jedva cekam sredu
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GostGo
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Quadri....udeo Alfe na trzistu automobila nemacke je 0,3%, tako da se proda vise Golf dizela mesecno nego svih alfi godisnje 
BTW. Evo cenovnika Alfe 159 (Cene sa porezom od 16%)
Alfa 159 1.9 JTS 16V Progression 118 kW 26.700 Euro
Alfa 159 2.2 JTS 16V Progression 136 kW 28.100 Euro
Alfa 159 3.2 JTS V6 24V Q4 Progression 191 kW 34.900 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM 8V Progression 88 kW 25.900 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM 16V Progression 110 kW 27.900 Euro
Alfa 159 2.4 JTDM 20V Progression 147 kW 31.900 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTS 16V Distinctive 118 kW28.500 Euro
Alfa 159 2.2 JTS 16V Distinctive 136 kW29.900 Euro
Alfa 159 3.2 JTS V6 24V Q4 Distinctive 191 kW 37.850 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM 8V Distintive 88 kW27.700 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM 16V Distinctive 110 kW 29.700 Euro
Alfa 159 2.4 JTDM 20V Distinctive 147 kW 34.850 Euro
BTW. Evo cenovnika Alfe 159 (Cene sa porezom od 16%)
Alfa 159 1.9 JTS 16V Progression 118 kW 26.700 Euro
Alfa 159 2.2 JTS 16V Progression 136 kW 28.100 Euro
Alfa 159 3.2 JTS V6 24V Q4 Progression 191 kW 34.900 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM 8V Progression 88 kW 25.900 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM 16V Progression 110 kW 27.900 Euro
Alfa 159 2.4 JTDM 20V Progression 147 kW 31.900 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTS 16V Distinctive 118 kW28.500 Euro
Alfa 159 2.2 JTS 16V Distinctive 136 kW29.900 Euro
Alfa 159 3.2 JTS V6 24V Q4 Distinctive 191 kW 37.850 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM 8V Distintive 88 kW27.700 Euro
Alfa 159 1.9 JTDM 16V Distinctive 110 kW 29.700 Euro
Alfa 159 2.4 JTDM 20V Distinctive 147 kW 34.850 Euro
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