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[alfaholic]

E ljudi, zna li neko da mi pojasni sledecu stvar u Race, GTR2 i GTR Evo, tamo gde se setuje diff ima tri podesavanja:

Lock: %
Coast: %
Preload: 1-5

Lock je procenat razlike obrtnog momenta levog i desnog tocka i kad diff zatvara, a ova druga dva ne znam sta su, zna li ko?!

[kovalski]

evo šta kaže neki lik sa racesimcentral

Preload affects how quickly the transition between power and coast differential occurs.
If you used a preload of '1' you and slammed the throttle down you would get a very quick transition to whatever your power %age was, the reverse would happen with taking the throttle off.
With a higher preload the above effect would be a lot more gradual.

Most people will tell you that this setting is very much driver dependant, and I can't really disagree with the common opinion. However, I think it's always worth a shot experimenting with higher values for circuits with long/sweeping corners (spa), and lower values for the throttle-on/throttle-off circuits (monaco)

Odnosno, preload utiče na to koliko brzo se dešava promena između power i coast diferencijala. Ukoliko se preload podesi na 1 i naglo dodate gas dobićete vrlo brz prenos bilo koliko da je power podešen, isto se dešava kad se naglo pusti gas. Sa podešenim većim vrednostima ovaj efekat bi bio mnogo postepeniji.
Na primer treba uvek experimentisati sa većim vrednostima za staze sa dugim i brzim krivinama (Spa) i nižim vrednostima za staze na kojima non stop dodajemo- puštamo gas (Monaco)

evo sad sam slučajno našao setup guide na našem jeziku pošto je i mene ovo zanimalo,a ovih dana baš cepam GT_All mod za rFactor
autor je Walker sa mg-gaming foruma
http://rapidshare.com/files/257992907/M ... r.pdf.html

[alfaholic]

TYRES

Think of the tyre pressure as the stiffness of the tyre; lower the tyre pressures and the tyres will flex more and the more the tyre flexes, the more heat is generated in the tyre. Increasing the tyre pressures will make them stiffer and therefore won't build up as much heat.

The pressure at which a tyre provides most grip is known as its 'optimum' pressure, usually the tyre temperatures recorded from a session will indicate whether the tyre is above or below the optimum pressure. If you take the average temperature of the two edges of the tyre and compare it to the temperature of the middle of the tyre and the values are identical, this usually means that the tyre pressure is the optimum. If the middle of the tyre is hotter than the edges, the pressure is above optimum. And, if the temperature of the middle of the tyre is less than the edges, the tyre is below its optimum pressure.

However, pressure is not the only thing that matters about the tyre. The temperature of the tyre is just as important if not more so: a racing slick tyre is designed to adhere to the track surface much better when it is hot, although if the tyre overheats it becomes less efficient and wears out very quickly. The optimum tyre temperature doesn't really have an exact value, but it is a 'window'. This window in which the tyre provides most grip is from around 85-105 degrees but varies a bit between compounds and tyre manufacturers. As a general rule the hard compound tyres work best at a slightly lower temperature window of around 75-95 degrees. In professional motor racing it is common practice to run each tyre at a different pressure in an effort to keep all the tyres within the optimum temperature window. For instance, if your right front tyre is only reaching 75 degrees and your left front is reaching 90 degrees, reducing the pressure of the right front tyre would really help increase its operating temperature and result in an overall improvement in front end grip.

Finally, I just want to say that soft compount tyres aren't always the quickest, even for a hot lap. The tyre temperature is much more crucial than the compound, so always pick the compound that keeps the tyre inside the optimum temperature window.

[alfaholic]

Suspension

Adjusting the suspension can fundamentally change the way the car feels.

The main adjustments of the suspension are: spring stiffness, damper rates, ride height and anti-roll bar stiffness. Adjusting these affects the handling in both lateral (mid corner) and longitudinal (braking and accelerating) at both low and high speed cornering. The springs carry the weight of the car, so if you go too soft the car will 'bottom out' easily, forcing you to raise the ride height or use bump stops. Go for too stiffer spring and the tyres won't be in contact with the road 100% of the time and the grip level will therefore be lower unless the track surface is perfectly smooth (which is never the case).

Dampers are not shock-absorbers! It's really the spring that absorbs the 'shocks'. The damper provides a resistance to spring movement which helps the spring to settle after hitting a bump. Without them the car would just continue bounce up and down after hitting a bump in the road. Using very weak dampers will give a similar effect and will tend to make the handling inconsistent, often leading to a car that you have to ‘fight' through a corner. Running the dampers too firm will stop the spring from absorbing bumps in the road. However, running the dampers a bit firmer than normal can make the transitions from braking to accelerating (and vice-versa) smoother with more predictable handling. Essentially in this case you are trading grip for driveability because using too firmer damper is just like stiffening the spring. If the car does not feel 'alive' on it's suspension, chances are the dampers are too firm.

Dampers in GTR can only be set properly by trial and error. In earlier ISI based games such as F1C, the damper resistance was shown as an actual figure which made it easy to guess what settings to use to sort out a particular handling problem. In GTR the numbers in the damper settings relate to the actual settings for the valve adjustment nut. The numbers in the setup screen don't mean much at a glance. A setting of 1 means the damper will provide the lowest amount of resistance it can, allowing the spring to compress or recoil quicker. But how do you know the relationship between a setting of 1 and the maximum setting of 16? Racing dampers offer a maximum bump to rebound ratio of approximately 1:2. On that basis it's fair to assume that a damper setting of 16 (the maximum in GTR) offers twice as much resistance as a setting of 1....

[alfaholic]

The Differential

Increasing the percentage of power locking will give you better traction when going in a straight line but tends to make the 'rear try to overtake the front' when accelerating whilst turning. If you have 100% locking, both rear wheels will recieve the same amount of torque when you accelerate which means that the outside wheel will be more likely to lose grip during cornering. Decreasing the power locking will cause more wheelspin in a straight line but you won't get as much power-oversteer because the lions share of the engine torque will be fed to the inside (unloaded) wheel causing it to spin. This doesn't always result in oversteer since it is the outside wheel that is doing most of the work. Beware of setting the power locking too low as this will cause wheelspin.

The theory for coast locking is the similar but when coasting there is nowhere near as much torque for the diff to transfer to the wheels, only the effect of engine braking. If you encounter oversteer when lifting the throttle, such as when braking, increase the coast locking. If you set the coast locking very high or even 100% you may find that the car becomes unstable when downshifting. Decreasing the coast locking frees up the car when decelerating and will help turn-in, though setting the coast locking too low will give you lift-off oversteer.

Preload is what it says: it applies load to the diff even before torque is tranferred and affects power, coast and neutral throttle (neither accelerating nor decelerating). You have to have enough preload to takeup the play in the bearings so if you set this too low the diff will be 'loose' and the diff will slip and never lock-up fully. Too much preload will make the diff 'tighter' and lockup very suddenly when power is applied. If you were thinking of increasing both power and coast locking, you should try increasing preload instead as this gives you more locking overall...

[Jurke]

Momci je l' neko za normalan crack za Gt Legends?

Konačno jedan a da ne mora da se isključuju optički uređaji, a i jednostavan je.

http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc ... ends.shtml

Skinete ovo od 43,7 MB i tamo ima uputstvo pa pročitajte, a ovo ispod je ključ za sva kola, pare, staze itd.

Uživajte(vozeći GTA)!

[speedfreak968]

Zar ovde nije bilo vishe postova? Shta se desilo?

[speedfreak968]

Anyway...

[SCHUMACHER]

Izvinjavam se koja je ovo igrica ( DTM slike)i moze li se igrati na comp od 512Mb?

[OMP]

igra je gtr2, igrao sam je davno osto je stara par godina ali vise nemam instalaciju, nije bila losa uposte mada mi je rfactor bolji, ova 155ica i nije bas nasrecnije odradjena ali nema veze bitno da je ima sto se tice racunara tu se nesto ne razumem ali ne treba nikakav posebno dobar komp ni graficka da bi se igrala , procackaj ovaj sait mozda nadjes nesto

http://www.simbin.se/games/gtr2.htm

[speedfreak968]

GTR2 jeste stara platforma, ali je bitno doradjena, i oba ova moda gore su stara po par meseci... Maltene svakoga dana izadje po neki nov i zanimljiv mod, znachi vredi imati to na PC-u... Ja sam ozbiljan zaludjenik za simulacije, i dosta slobodnog vremena provodim za volanom... Ovaj DTM '94 mod je odlichno uradjen po pitanju fizike i zvuka, dok je grafichki malo slabiji... U sluchaju 8c, model je uzet iz Forze i fizika je preradjena tako da je izuzetno zabavna za voznju i gotovo identichna stvarnom autombilu... GTR2 je generalno malo jacha simulacija po meni od rFactora, mada i jednu i drugu obilato koristim...

OMP - Kupi volan choveche

[OMP]

jedno vreme sam se razmisljao za volan ali sam odustao, ne daju mi se pare za to, nema uslova da ga montiram na moj sto, itd. a i za ove modove koje igram mi ne treba volan jer sam dovoljno konkurentan i na tastaturi
definitivno iz dana u dan izlaze novi modovi za rfactor, gtr i ostale sim samo sto vecina njih bude dosta losa, ja sam ih gomilu poskidao a samo 2-3 igram, cekam za rfact da izbace neku 155icu a cudi me da jos nisu, cak nema ni taj stari dtm mod samo ovi novi koji se danas voze

[speedfreak968]

Taj DTM 94 mod iz GTR2 je konvertovan u rFactor, znachi ima ako znash gde da trazish ... Poslacu ti link na PM, poshto su to sve generalno "illegal" modovi, pa da ne bude nekih problema sa forumom...
A shto se volana tiche, ne radi se tu o konkuretnosti, nego o osecaju voznje, koja uz dobar volan moze zaista da lichi na stvarni utisak... Osecash kako se auto propinje kada krece/proklizava, kako bezi bulja kada preupravlja, odnosno nos kad podupravlja, pa kada neletish na rupu iscima, pa korekcije... Ako je volan dobar i fizika moda uradjena dobro, kao recimo SCGT mod u rFactoru, to je onda fenomenalan dozivljaj... A dobar polovan volan, recimo Momo mozesh da kupish za 50-ak i manje evrica... Vredi...

[OMP]

ma igrao sam ja dugo na volanu, ima moj drugar i bovsi cimer logitec za koji kazu da je bolji od momo , dok smo ziveli u bg-u zajedno igrao sam stalno tako da znam da je dobra stvar ali nisam bio u mogucnost do sad da ga kupim pa ne verujem ni da cu sada, uzimao sam od njega da probam kuci ali kao sto rekoh sto na kom mi je komp nije mi zgodan sto za montazu, sto zbog polozaja sto zbog oblika, da ne objasnjavam sad, ali nije to to, u nekom cudnom polozaju sam vozio, papucice blizu, itd. tako da je vise zamarajuce i neudobno nego sto uzivas u voznji pa sam najvise zbog toga i odustao od kupovine, znam za cene i da moze prilicno jeftino da se pazari, cak se i moj ćale primio da vozi kad sam donosio volan

[Jurke]

Ma volan je zakon
Ja imam MOMO, uzeo ga za 30e, nema rucicu za menjanje brzina, a i ne treba mi, rade one 2 na volanu, ostalo je bilo kao novo. Kao što @speed kaže, kad počne da se otima, i da lupa kontru to je onda stvarno doživljaj. Nisam nikad probao onaj Logitech-ov G25 volan a voleo bih, kažu da je ponekad osećaj bolji nego u stvarnom životu, eto toliko je dobar.


Eo upravo učim na faksu i sad mi došlo da odigram jednu, bem ti i učenje više

@SCHUMACHER
Ja sam je igrao na 512mb rama i nije kočilo, doduše malo smanji detalje

[kovalski]

speedfreak, aj pošalji mi link za taj konvertovani dtm mod za rFactor.

Ja znam za ovaj WIP Alfa 155 DTM, ali je pitanje kada će biti realizovan
http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cf ... 20DTM%2093



GTR2 imam, al se ne sećam kad sam ga zadnji put igrao, čak mi nije ni instaliran.

EDIT: našao sam DTM 1994 mod i skidam ga

[OMP]

upravo instalirao i probao ovaj dtm i mogu reci da je super, jeste da je alfa najbednije uradjena ali ionako vozim sa pogledom iz kokpita pa exterijer i nije bitan, dok su ostali automobili odlicno uradjeni i spolja i unutra
jos kad bi imao neki server za ovo bilo bi super, ako hocete mozemo preko hamacija da napravimo server i vozimo svi,meni je mnogo ovako offline sam da vozim ???

[OMP]

mecka 190 i m3e30 su mi ubdljivo najaci za voznju, odlicno i kontrolisano klizaju, za zazanje dusu dali, cak sam uspeo i da u driftu spojim par krivina sto je gotovo na vecini modova nemoguce jer se lako okrene auto, ovde je savrseno izbalansiran, uz odredjeni setup naravno , alfa je dobra za voznju ali i suvise prosta zbog 4 vuce pa nije zanimljivo jer odlicno pegla krivine, e46 je takodje dobar kao i c klasa dok mustanga i kalibru nisam probao, a nikad ih nisam ni voleo u dtm-u

[speedfreak968]

Znachi, verno su preneli fiziku iz GTR2... Alfa i Calibra leze k'o na shinama, morash da se napatish k'o Isus da ih naterash u neko kontrolisano proklizavanje ili ne daj Boze okretanje... U trci sa AI, realno, niko sem Calibre ne moze ni da prismrdi Alfi... Ako malo chachkas oko setupa trapa, diff-a i balansa kochnica, mozesh malo i sa Alfom da driftujesh...

[OMP]

ma nisu zanimljivi 4x4 sad sam i kalibru vozio, mecka i bmw su vrh ali opat kazem dosadno je offline igrati

[Jurke]

Evo i ja sam za online trku, iako nisam neki profesionalac pa pitanje koliko ću moći da vam pariram?!

@speedfreak
Jel može meni link za taj mod, ali i za Rfactor i za GTR2?

[speedfreak968]

Naravno...

[SCHUMACHER]

Speed,ako se dogovorite za voznju on-line posalji i meni link ako ti nije problem

[OMP]

mozemo da probamo on line, samo svi moraju da imaju instaliran rfactor i hamachi programčić koji se lako skida i instalira, ostalo je lako, dogovorimo se kad teramo i neko od nas napravi server i posalje svoju IP adresu sa hamachia svima, ali otom potom objasnicu kako se radi kad se budemo dogovorili

[SCHUMACHER]

To bi bilo super i ako moze objasnjenje sta i kako jer sam za ove stvari totalni dumbster.
Jurke,hvala na infu za ram memoriju