Buyers guide for Alfa 156

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Alfa 156 se prodala u dosta pristojnom broju kod nas od uvoznika Delte. Ta kola imaju nesto vecu cenu kao polovna jer su u proseku presla manje kilometara nego njihovi vrsnjaci u inostranstvu i moze se znati servisna istorija automobila. Zbog toga se cesto u oglasima kao dodatni adut cesto napise "kupljen u Delti", "odrzavan u Delti". S druge strane kola kupljena ovde vozena su po losijim putevima i to treba uzeti u obzir jer to vuce neke probleme koje uvezene Alfe nemaju. Takodje treba znati da ima falsifikatora Deltinih racuna i papira koji na taj nacin hoce da povecaju cenu kola. Isto tako "odrzavan u Delti" moze da znaci da je samo jedan servis odradjen, a to jel` te nije odrzavanje. Sve se to moze proveriti.
Uvoz iz Italije cesto je meta pljuvanja, s jedne strane opravdanog jer u Italiji se ne vodi uredna servisna istorija kola i jer u proseku voze nesto ostrije od drugih. Ipak, predrasuda je da Italijani ne odrzavaju kola i da su aljkavi. Pogotovu je smesno kada mi to kazemo kod kojih je tehnicka kultura na vrlo niskom nivou. Uvesti Alfu iz Italije uopste nije losa stvar ako se moze "iskontrolisati ceo proces". Nigde nema tako dobrih servisa za Alfe nego u Italiji i nigde nema toliko Alfi nego u Italiji. Zato ako imate nekog poznatog koji poznaje kola, ili ako mozete sami da odete i kupite Alfu u Italiji to moze biti dobar potez.
Kupovina u Nemackoj je najmanja rizicna ako se auto kupuje "naslepo", ali dobre 156 nisu tako jeftine u Nemackoj kao sto se misli. Neki minimum da auto necemu valja je oko 6000 evra.
Sto se tice drugih zemalja ima uvoza iz Holandije i Belgije, a ta kola su mahom sa ugradjenim gasom. Ja prezirem gas u Alfi, ali za ljude koji nemaju taj otpor prema gasu mozda to i nije losa solucija jer Alfe nisu stedise benzina.
Nakon svega, ipak bih prednost davao kolima koja su kupljena kod nas, kod ovlascenog dilera.
Kod nas na placevima polovnjaka situacija je uglavnom vrlo losa. To su mahom kola koja na Zapadu niko nije hteo. Uostalom, sta mislite kakva je 156-ica koja kod nas kosta 6000-7000 evra...da li ste se zapitali koliko je taj auto placen plus neko treba da zaradi nesto na njemu ovde...Mislim da ovde u klubu i forumu Alfista treba da sirimo pristojnu tehnicku kulturu, a ne da pristajemo i podrzavamo "balkanska poluresenja s koca i konopca" i zbog toga ne treba ohrabrivati ljude da kupuju "krseve u najavi". Kupovina takvih kola samo ce povecati broj nezadovoljnih korisnika Alfe, pa ce se zbog toga siriti prica kako su to losa i nekvalitetna vozila. Bar mi ovde treba da imamo stroze kriterijume za dobro Alfista.

Odlucili ste odakle cete nabaviti 156 i sada ostaje da se izabere dobar primerak. Za pocetak gledajte da je auto presao sto manje km. To bi, po meni, trebalo da bude primarna stvar kada se kupuje Alfa. Da ne bude zabune Alfe mogu da prdju dosta kilometara, ali pre svega ako su uredno odrzavane i da ih je vozio sto manji broj razlicitih ljudi. Normalno, kilometraza moze da se steluje, ali uvek se moze naci neki primerak gde se to moze znati - bilo zato sto je odrzavan sve vreme ovde, ili zato sto znate auto od ranije ili ga neko drugi zna (ako je auto u inostranstvu). Ako ne mozete to znati, onda se gledaju neke stvari koje mogu pokazati da li je auto puno presao.
Alfa 156 je prilicno zahvalan auto da se gleda da li je limarija ostecena i prilicno nezahvalna za one koji hoce nesto da sakriju. Ona je izvajana sa puno dizajnerskih detalja, krivina, nabora tako da je tesko sve to "ispeglati" u slucaju havarije. Dobro pogledajte spojeve branika, haube i krila. Ako je auto udaran vrlo tesko ce svi ti spojevi izgledati kao fabricki - uvek ce postojati naki zazor. Fabricke natpise pozadi vrlo je tesko namestiti na prvobitnom mestu, pa ako nisu tu ili stoje nekako kako ne treba to je dobra indikacija da je auto farban otpozadi, a samim tim najverovatnije udaran. Pored toga treba obrattiti paznju da li se poklapaju oznake na svim staklima i farovima.
Unutrasnjost 156 dok ne upalite motor nece vam mnogo reci da li je auto presao mnogo posto su ti delovi uglavnom u ok stanju i posle nekoliko godina - sedista, dugmici, pokazivaci, itd...Unutra ima vise nivoa opreme - plastika, koza, drvo, karbon look. Kozna sedista su izvanrednog kvaliteta i postoje dve vrste. Drvene aplikacije mogu biti od plastike i od pravog drveta. ovo drugo je relativno retka pojava. Enterijer je znatno unapredjen od Giugaro restylinga. GTA verzija ima posebna sedista, kao i multifunkcionalni display na sredini konzole koji je posle usvojen i kod svih drugih restilizovanih 156-ica.

Sto se tice motora ne zna se koji je bolji i sa svakim necete pogresiti. Twin Spark ima problem sa varijatorom koji je ovde nasiroko obradjen. Uglavnom rezime je - nista strasno, ali nervira. Pored toga treba ponekad ocistiti leptir usisa, o cemu je ovde isto raspravljano. 1.6 ide vrlo solidno, 1.8 izvanredno, 2.0 malo bolje od njega, ali sa mnogo vise lakoce i ubedljivosti. 2.0 trosi oko 12-14 litara, slabije varijante za 1-1,5 manje u proseku. 2.0 se smatra najuravnotezenijom i najuspelijom varijantom. 2.5 V6 je stepenica iznad sa izvanrednim perfomansama, 6 brzinskim menjacem i elektronskom komandom gasa, ali trosi i do 18 litara po gradu. Pored toga radi se vecnoj masini koja se tesko kvari. GTA je nesto opet posebno, njegova potrosnja krece se do 20 litara, ali ko uopste u Alfi 156 GTA o tome vodi racuna. Radi se o bolidu na 4 tocka koji je mozda i suvise fina masina za ovdasnje podneblje. JTS motor je sjajan, ima bolji obrtni moment od TS, mada nema takoi lep zvuk. S obzirom da se radi o motoru sa dir.ubrizgavanjem benzina treba ispitati kako se ponasa u duzoj eksploataciji sa ovdasnjim losim benzinom. Uopste sa motorima u 156 ne bi trebalo da bude puno problema samo se treba drzati servisnih intervala i sipati propisane tecnosti. Tu ne sme da bude improvizacija.
Oko manuelnih menjaca i kocnica takodje ne bi trebalo da bude problema. Selespeed menjace na kolima koja su puno presla treba izbegavati kod nas jer ako krenu da zezaju nesto vezano za elektroniku mozete samo da placete. Ako kupite 156 GTA treba proveriti da li su vam napred diskovi od 305mm ili 330mm. Ako su od 305 odmah ih treba zameniti sa 330mm. Alfa je to sama menjala tokom redovnih servisa, ali se jos ponegde moze naci primerak sa manjim promerom koji je nedovoljan i izaziva pregravanja i hiper ubrzano trosenje plocica.
Elektronika moze biti problem. On se cesto istice u zapadnoj stampi, mada kako su mi rekli u Delti ti problemi nisu kod nas toliko izrazeni kao neki drugi problemi koji opet nisu izrazeni u inostrantvu. Uglavnom stara prica sa italijanskim kolima - paljenje i gasenje lampica na instrument tabli bezveze, lazno paljenje abs senzora, otkazivanje nekih eletronskih sklopova. Verzije do kraja 2000 godine su podesene da se klima uvek pali sa paljenjem motora, ali to se u instruction manualu moze resetovati. Uopste, verzije od kraja 2000. godione su znatno (spolja neprimetno)unapredjene, kao i restilizovana Giugaro 156 od 2003. koja je kvalitativno na jos visem nivou. Koliko sam shvatio iz tudjih iskustava i saveta autoelektricara, nije dobro Alfe voziti sa losim akumulatorom jer to moze da izazove vezane probleme sa elektrikom.

Stvar koja izaziva kod nas najvise problema je donji postroj. Alfa je koncipirala za 156 multilink ogibljenje koje je napredno i omogucava sjajno ponasanje na putu. Ali, to je napravljeno za neke druge zemlje u kojima nema rupcaga na svakom koraku. Znaci, kod nas cesto odlaze selen blokovi, viljuske, gumice u ramenima, balans stangla...kada se auto proba vrlo je bitno da se oslusne da li nesto cvili, lupa ili skripi dole. Svaki ljubitelj Alfe 156 zna sta koji zvuk znaci . Srecom, pa ti delovi i nisu toliko skupi. Vezano s tim je i kontrola trapova. Nailazio sam na ljude koji nikako ne mogu da rese problem stelovanja trapova i onda krene drvlje i kamenenje na Alfu. Radi se o tome da oni voze zapusten auto u kome su lezista trapova u takvom stanju da se ne mogu vise dovesti na fabricke norme. Trapove treba redovno kontrolisati. Veliki tockovi i felne su lepi, ali oni samo gore navedeno mogu da pogorsaju, tako da tu treba naci neki kompromis. Inace, 156 se prodavao sa tzv. Sport Paketom 1,2 i 3. On se mogao naruciti i kod Delte. SP3 je imao 16" felne, zavesice, Bilstein amortizere, Eibach opruge i jos neke detalje u unutrasnjosti auta. Taj paket dosta unapredjuje ponasanje na putu, ali cini voznju malo neudobnijom. Ja bih licno mnogo voleo da na mom autu to imam. Takodje, kupci kola koja su kupili sasvim uredan auto (recimo u Nemackoj) koji je presao 200000 km (uglavnom na izvanrednim auto putevima) i na kojem je sve utegnuto i nista ne skripi, cijuce moraju da znaju da ta kola ako se ne vodi dosta racuna odjedanput pocnu da prave velike probleme sa donjem postroju na nasim putevima.

Od ostalih eventualnih problema u inostranoj stampi sam vidjao da se tu i tamo desavlo prodiranje vode u kabinu u ranijim godistima.
Da ne zaboravim da obavezno dobijete oba kod kljuca kad kupujete auto.
O servisima i delovima ima posebnih diskusija ovde na forumu - dobro je 156 odrzavati u servisima koji imaju dijagnostiku jer je to savremen auto.

Karavan verzija (Sportwagon i Crosswagon) spadaju medju najlepse karavane, ali nemaju veliku nosivost. Alfa je kod konstrukcije karavana napravila jedna vrlo pametan, a u sustini cicijaski pristup. To je prakticno prekrojena limuzina sa vrlo malo razlicitih delova u odnosu na limuzinu. Isto je medjuosovinsko rastojanje, cak i zadnji farovi... Sve je to ok, to niko ni ne primecuje, ali su napravili jednu gresku - nisu pojacali zadnje ogibljenje (a vec smo pricali da je osetljivo), tako da 156 SW nikako nije za tegljenje cementa i drugih jako teskih stvari, vec za neke "fine prevoze", sto se ipak mora uzeti za manu...Nikako ne stavljati sport paket na sw verziju - sve ovo sto sam napisao je jos gore u tom slucaju.
Crosswagon je izdignuta verzija sa pogonom na cetiri tocka. Ta verzija se jos pravi i nije nimalo jeftina. Uz nju ide samo 1.9jtd 16v motor. Pogon na cetiri tocka je izuzetno napredan sa tri diferencijala. Izrada i materijali su vrlo luksuzni, jedina je mana sto se stavljaju serijske gume koje nisu za ozbiljnu offroad voznju. Vrlo smekerski auto.
I jos jedna stvar - nemojte na Alfu 156 stavljati alarm po mogucstvu, a ako ga stavljate samo vrhunske i kod najboljih majstora. Moze biti dosta stete od losih alarma.

Samo par opshtih napomena sa moje strane. Prema kilometrazhi koja stoji na brojachu Alfi sa poreklom iz Italije budite krajnje obazrivi! Italija je generalno zemlja autotransporta (chitaj najvishe koriste drumski prevoz). Nije ni malo chudna stvar da ljudi dnevno prevaljuju i po 300 km odlazeci i vracajuci se sa posla, shto realno umanjuje shanse da na automobilu bude neka mala prihvatljiva kilometrazha. Ovo se pogotovo, podvlachim, pogotovo odnosi na JTD motore koji su Italijanima omiljeni! Dakle ako je mala kilometrazha obratite pazhnju na enterijer i druge stvari koje mogu signalizirati stepen korishcenja automobila. Generalno sam chuo da se na dijagnostici mozhe utvrditi koja je prava kilometrazha automobila (nisam siguran da je 100% tachno), ali zakachiti auto na kompjuter pre kupovine bi bio dobar potez...

Vezano za TS motore preporuka je definitivno ici na 2.0 verziju, jer je taj motor komplet Alfin - motori 1.6 i 1.8 koriste Fiatov blok shto generalno te motore ne chini manje kvalitetnim, ali... Ultraalfisti, znate na koji agregat cete ici!

Na karoseriji 156-ica, do sada nije primecena pojava korozije, a jedini deo koji mozhe korodirati (i verovatno jeste) je fabrichki izduvni lonac...

Nakon kupovine 156-ice pozeljno je ako ne i obavezno zamena svih kaiseva, filtera i ulja, jer ipak je to mali trosak kada se sagleda cinjenica da se nikad tacno ne moze utvrditi kada je prosli vlasnik to uradio a steta moze biti ogromna u slucaju npr. pucanja kaisa?

Sto se tice JTD motora imah dva 1,9 i 2,4. Koji od motor da se izabere nece se pogresiti jer oba imaju dovoljno konja (105/110/115 i 136/140/150) vec prvenstveno zbog velikog obrtnog momenta. To se najvise moze osetiti u gradu gde ima dosta startova iz mesta i naglih ubrzanja pri malim brzinama. Za ljude koji pretezno voze u gradu sasvim je dovoljan 1,9 kao best buy, ali za otvoreno ipak je mnogo bolji 2,4 jer omogucava mnogo vecu dinamiku ?ugodne? voznje. Sto se tice potrosnje sa srpskim gorivom se krece u gradu oko 8,5l a na auto-putu (150km/h) oko 6,5l za motor 1,9. Dok za 2,4 treba dodati do oko 1l. JTD motori vaze za tihe dizele, ali ne i najtise, i jedini pravi zvuk dizela se cuje dok se malo ne zagreje motor. Zbog turbine preporucljivo je da se sa autom ne ?divlja? sve dok auto ne postigne radnu tempreraturu i jos + par km, tj. dok ulje se ne zagreje, a isto tako nakon ?divljanja? treba auto (turbinu) pustiti da radi na leru par minuta. Po iskustvu domacih vlasnika JTD motora oni ne trose ni kap ulja, ali to ipak ne mora da vazi za svaki JTD motor.
Ono sto je mene, a i mnoge ce, zbunilo i zacudilo je radna temperatura,koja je kod mene oko 75C, a tek u gradu kad je sada otoplilo znalo da ode do 90C. Nakon lutanja po netu, konslutacija u servisu, uvideo sam da je kod 156-ica to normalno. Na sajtu www.alfa156.net (koji inace svim sadasnjim kao i buducim vlasnicima preporucujem da ga dobro pregledaju) nasao sam podatak da Alfa za razliku od ostalih proizvodjaca ne prikazuje srednju temperaturu, vec trenutnu pa zato i ima ceste oscilacije iste.

Motori (1997-2001)

Motor Kw (Bhp) / RPM Ccm Nm / (RPM) Max brzina (Km/h) 0-100 (sec) Tezina (Kg) Standardni tockovi

1.6 TS 16V 88 (120) / 6300 1598 144 (4500) 200 10,5 1230 185/65R15
1.8 TS 16V 106 (144) / 6500 1747 169 (3500) 210 9,3 1230 185/65R15
2.0 TS 16V 114 (155) / 6400 1970 187 (3500) 216 8,6 1250 205/60R15
2.5 V6 24V 140 (190) / 6300 2492 222 (5000) 230 7,3 1320 205/60R15
1.9 JTD 77 (105) / 4000 1910 255 (2000) 188 10,4 n/a 185/65R15
2.4 JTD 100 (136) / 4000 2387 310 (2000) 203 9,5 1350 185/65R15

Euro 3 engines (2001-> )

Motor Kw (Bhp) / RPM Ccm Nm / (RPM) Max brzina (Km/h) 0-100 (sec) Tezina (Kg) Standardni tockovi

1.6 TS 16V 88 (120) / 6200 1598 146 (4200) 200 10,5 1230 185/65R15
1.8 TS 16V 103 (140) / 6500 1747 163 (3900) 208 9,4 1230 185/65R15
2.0 TS 16V * 110 (150) / 6300 1970 181 (3800) 214 8,8 1250 205/60R15
2.5 V6 24V 141 (192) / 6300 2492 218 (5000) 230 7,3 1320 205/60R15
1.9 JTD 81 (110) / 4000 1910 275 (1800) 191 10,3 n/a 185/65R15
2.4 JTD * 103 (140) / 4000 2387 304 (1800) 205 9,4 1350 185/65R15

* Bice zamanjeni sa 2.0 JTS i novim 2.4 JTD Q2 2002

Facelift 2002 & GTA:

Motor Kw (Bhp) / RPM Ccm Nm / (RPM) Max brzina (Km/h) 0-100 (sec) Tezina (Kg) Standardni tockovi

GTA 184 (250) / 6200 3179 300 (4800) 250 6,3 1410 225/45R17
2.0 JTS 121 (165) / 6400 1970 206 (3250) 220 8,2 n/a 205/60R15
2.4 JTD 110 (150) / 4000 2387 305 (1800) 212 9,4 1385 185/65R15

Dodati 50 kg za SportWagon.

I za kraj iskustvo Brabusa sa njegovom 156 2,4JTD:

?Evo da sumiram utiske...cisto zbog buducih vlasnika 156-tice, pokazem moje vidjenje o predrasudama koje prate Alfe.
Auto sam imao oko 20 meseci, od toga sam ga vozio oko godinu dana, 8 meseci je bio na prodaju, vozen, ali vrlo malo i to uglavnom ne s moje strane. Auto je po mojoj proceni imao oko 200-230.000 kad sam ga uzeo. Na satu je bilo 130.000, ali je zadnji servis uradjen na 180.000 nekih godinu dana pre nego sto je auto dosao u Srbiju. Ukupno sam s njim presao oko 45.000, od toga 40.000 za godinu dana, i oko 5.000 kad sam dolazio za Srbiju, gde je auto stajao.

Auto sam najvise vozio po auto-putu, skoro 90% je bila takva voznja, na relaciji Nemacka-Srbija (6 puta za to vreme) i kad sam putovao do posla (oko 100 km dnevno, 6 meseci). U prvom slucaju, brzina je bila izmedju 150 i 160 km/h uglavnom i prtom je auto trosio 7-7.5l sa Nemackim gorivom, sa nasim oko litar vise (mereno vise puta od cepa do cepa, sa oko 900km izmedju tankanja). U drugom slucaju, brzina idealna, od 90 do 120 km/h + 5km gradska voznja, i tako sam uspevao da predjem 1000 km na tank od 63l, takodje mereno dosta puta. Po gradu po Nemackoj nisam nikad uspeo da predjem 100km u jednom cugu, a kod nas mi je na nasem gorivu trosio izmedju 9 i 10l na 100. Cale je uspevao da potrosi i 8l, ali ja imam tesku nogu. Toliko o tome da je Alfa sda 2400 kubika veliki potrosac. Jedna predrasuda srusena...

Odrzavanje: Sto se redovnog odrzavanja i potrosnog materijala, mislim da je u rangu sa cenama odrzavanja Passata i Vectre (plocice, kaisevi, filteri...). Ko ne veruje, moze da proveri vrlo lako...Jos jedna predrasuda srusena....

Kvarovi: Za 40.000 koje sam napravio u godinu dana, auto me NIKADA i nigde nije izneverio. Palio je na -20, izdrzavao bez problema 15-16 sati voznje punim tempom, pritom ulje nije trosio uopste. Samo sipam gorivo, zamenim ulje, filtere i ostalo, svakih 10.000km i vozim. Ispunjavao je svoju funkciju savrseno, bas ono sto mi je trebalo - pouzdan auto, koji nece da rikne negde na sred puta u sred Evrope, gde bi mi skinuli kozu s ledja za popravku...i nije.

I verovatno bi sve bilo kao u bajci, da ne zivimo u zemlji Srbiji...tj. ja ne zivim, ali sam servisirao auto, zato sto sam cesto bio dole prosle godine.

Zamenio ja PK kais tako negde pre leta, otsio za nemacku, doso u Nis za leto, presao ukupno oko 8000 sa tim kaisem, kad odjednom upalim auto i cujem neki uzasan zvuk iz motora, kao da se raspada....mislio - gotovo, prezubio 100% (zupcasti promenjen pre 30.000km). Otvorim, pogledam, kad ono PK kais u fronclama, jos se drzi, ali froncle udaraju po motornom prostoru i prave takav zvuk. Odvezem se do majstora, pogleda, kaze, spaneri su uredu,mora da je kais los bio. Kupim nov kais, namontira ga on, dodjem u Nis (posle 50km), isto sranje. Odvezem kod drugog majstora, koji vazi za najboljeg u regionu za Alfe ( o!o je najbolji), kaze, ceo set spanera otisao, tj. nosac remenice mora da se zameni. Krenem ja u potragu sirom Srbije za taj deo, nema ga apsolutno NIGDE, pa cak ni u Delti. Nadjem na jedvite jade jednog sto ga ima, i krece zajebancija....treba da se donese iz Grcke, ovo ono.....15 DANA sam cekao piiiip spaner koji kosta 200e Na celu tu avanturu (3 kaisa + spaner + majstori) sam puko oko 350e, ali pomirio se s tim...prva stvar koja crkava, piiiip. Odmah cim je namontiran, cuo se mnogo vise nego pre, majstor kaze da ce da "nalegne", ovaj se pravi LUD u radnji, ja morao da palim za Nemacku nazad. Nakon toga ostavio auto, i cale morao da menja ponovo sve, posle 15.000 km. Srpska klasika - majstor tvrdi da ga nije namestio, prodavac da ga nije prodao. Ostalih primedbi na motor nisam imao, mada sam osetio da ce i turbina morati da se menja uskoro, malo mi je popustila.

I najgora stvar, ogibljenje Ono nije normalno, sto bi reko Dora, kao da ima Gremlini unutra neki. Dobronameran savet - ako krene da vam se cuje u trapovima na 156-tici nesto, bolje pocnite da prodajete auto, jer ste upravo usli u zacarani krug, koji mnogo kosta, a iz kog tesko da moze neko (majstor) da vas izvadi. Sve je pocelo posle duzeg boravka u Sribji i voznje po sveze raspalim putevima u prolece. I to je prilicno naivno pocelo Naime, prilikom prolaska preko poprecnih neravnina nesto skripne, ne jako, ali iritira. Buka se progresivno povecavala i pocela da se javlja na drugim mestima. Uglavnom, posle zamene svih stabilizatora i svega sto je imalo lufta...ono sranje se jos cuje. Najebao se keve svim majstorima koji su ucestvovali u toj akciji, otiso kod drugih, na jos boljem "glasu", da ne imenujem servis, posto vidim da se neki ovde kunu u njega.....posle celodnevnog pipanja i cudjenja, ocigledno nesto podmazali, buke nestalo, uredno naplatili (odrali)....i posle prve kise isto sranje. Nisam imao zivaca da dobar deo svog kratkog boravka provedem jureci razne majstore i sedeci s njima u kanalu i juriti delove po gradu, kao da trazim nesto za Discovery Space Shuttle....resih da se oslobodim auta.

Ali hehe....ne ide bas to lako u zemlji Srbiji. na oglase se skoro niko nije javljao, u pocetku cena bila visoka. Nije se javljao ni kad cene nije bilo, apsolutno niko. Nije problem bio ni to sto auto u Nisu, auto je mogao da se pogleda u Bg svake srede, da je neko hteo. Na auto-pijaci beze ko djavo od krsta - to trosi, kvari se, skupa registracija....nije Passat. Posle 8 meseci, naidje SELJACINA, nepismeni, zadrigli, iz selendre u sred picke materine, ciji je osnovni motiv da kupi Alfu 156 to sto je njegov komsija iz sela kupio isti auto pre nekolko dana, pa je ovaj brze-bolje doso na pijacu i kupio prvu na koju je naisao. Dobio sam Punto i nesto malo kesa, uzasno sam prosao prilikom prodaje, na autu izgubio mnogo para....ostao mi beli Punto dizel da ga prodajem.


Da svedem utiske - sa ekonomske strane, bolje bih prosao da sam uzeo neki Passat, vise bih ga platio, ali bi ga zato bolje prodao. Sa majstorima nebih imao zajebanciju.....ali bih vozio auto koji ni po cemu ne moze da se poredi sa 156. i koji mi nebi doneo ni priblizno toliko lepih stvari kao 156.....nauzivao sam se vozeci Alfu, zavoleo je stvarno, krivo mi je sto je teko moralo da se zavrsi kako se zavrsilo, ali u uslovima u kojima sam, moralo je tako da bude.

Ne zalim pare koje sam slupao u auto, jer je auto ono sto mi najvise mozda i zadovoljstva pricinjava u zivotu, ima nekih stvari koje ne mogu da se izraze parama, Alfisti to dobro znaju....

Da li cu da kupim Alfu ponovo ? Hmmm....nisam siguran, to ce da zavisi od materijalnog stanja i alternativa koje imam. U principu mogu sebe ponovo da zamislim u jednoj Alfi, ali u drugim uslovima (nov auto, garancija...). Ima vremena.... ?

Ako neko ima problema prvenstveno sa grejanjem koji se ispoljava tako sto grejanje pocne ali nakon toga u roku od 5min uvek pretezno odrzava manju tempreraturu od zadate. Problem je u tome sto se zaglavio (kao sto je bilo kod mene) ili pokvario ventilator koji se nalazi odmah iza senzora temperature. Uloga ventilatora je da, posto se senzor nalazi unutar centralne konzole u kojoj je vazduh uvek malo topliji od vazduha u kabini, uvlaci vazduh iz kabine kako bi taj senzor imao pravilno ocitavanje temperature. Ako se ventilator samo zaglavio, sto i nije cudo koliko je bilo prasine na njemu, treba ga samo malo naprskati WD40 i razraditi.

I jos jedan savet u vezi zamene sijalica na centralnoj konzoli za klimu/ventilaciju (a predpostavljam i da je tako sa sijalicama na svim cajgerima). Kada dodjete do sijalice koja se nalazi u svom postolju, nemojte da je pokusavate da iscupate iz istog jer su nozice od sijalice zalemnjene za to isto podnozje . Ja sam za zamenu koristio standardne 1,2W sijalice ali se one ipak malo razlikuju od fabrickih tj. ove fabricke imaju malo krace grlo sijalice koje ulazi u postolje.

Razlike izmedju JTS i TS motora na osnovu iskustva Starac Vujadina:

?Imao sam zadovoljstvo da nekoliko sati vozikam u ostrijem tempu 156 2.0 JTS, znaci motor sa direktnim ubrizgavanjem, 165ks (10ks vise od 2.0TS). Auto je 2002. godiste i ima restilizovanu unutrasnjost, felne 16" telefonke, ali nema SP3.
Prva dobra stvar kod JTS je mnogo bolji odziv na gas izmedju 1000 i 2000 o/min. Auto ima vecu elasticnost u donjem podrucju. Posle 2000 obrtaja rast snage i ubrzanja je skoro isti, ali subjektivni osecaj u TS je bolji zbog mnogo boljeg zvuka. Zvuk JTS-a je bezveze i nema nikakve veze sa Alfom, vise lici na neku japansku ili koreansku konfekciju.
Druga dobra stvar su 16" koje u odnosu na moje 15" doprinose jos sportskijem ugodjaju u voznji sa direktnijim i (prijatno) tezim volanom u brzini.
Restilizovana unutrasnjost generalno deluje kvalitetnije. Crveno osvetljenje pokazivaca deluje atraktivno, ali u sustini zamara jer se sitnije cifre ne vide dobro kao u verziji sa zelenim osvetljenjem. Volan sa komandama na volanu od perforirane koze je atraktivan, ali je tanji nego na mojoj Alfi i nekako mi je slabiji osecaj u rukama. Putni racunar na sredini konzole koji se prvi put pojavio kod Alfe GTA je malo vise sminka, jer za razliku od GTA ne daje podatke o pritisku i temperaturi ulja. Dvozonska klima radi super, ali prekidaci klime sa "kao hromiranim" ringovima deluju krhko jer se nekako pomicu u svim pravcima, pa se ima subjektivni osecaj neznosti. Meni licno ne smeta, jer pazim kako se ophodim sa svim prekidacima, ali nekom "opustenijem" vlasniku bi ovo islo na nerve.
Inace, ovaj motor se prakticno moze odrzavati samo u Delti u slucaju nekog problema, jer u AMAG-u je bilo Sokiran kada je doveden na servis. Motor trazi sintetiku (preporuceno ulje je Selenia Racing 10-60). kada je doveden na servis. Motor trazi sintetiku (preporuceno ulje je Selenia Racing 10-60).?

I jos jednom savet, odrzavajte 156-icu u DOBROM I PROVERENOM SERVISU i sve po PS, a ona ce vam se oduziti tri puta vise.

Mali update:

Ako je radna temperatura motora ispod 90 stepeni, onda treba obavezno otici u servis i proveriti/zameniti isti. Nakon provere mog termostata kod majstora konstatovano je da je termostat svo vreme bio otvoren. Nakon zamene istog radna temperatura je zakucana oko 90 stepeni.

Znaci preporuka svim vlasnicima 156-ice ako vam temperatura nije oko 90 stepeni uvek, onda obavezno proverite/zamenite termostat.

by Bigfoot

[andrix]

Restyling 2003

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Alfa 156

Engine - Main features 1.6 T. Spark

No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 75.65
Capacity (cc) 1598
Compression ratio 10.3 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 88 (120)
at rpm 6200
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 146 (14.9)
at rpm 4200
Timing (control) 2 OHC, hydraulic tappets and electrohydraulic variable valve timing (toothed belt), 4 valves per cylinder
Fuel feed Bosch Motronic M.E.7 electronic MPI with phased sequential injection and selective knock control
Ignition static, electronic digital combined with injection, knock sensor and 4 HT coils fitted in the head, 2 spark plugs per cylinder
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.909 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.238 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.520 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 1.156 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.946 : 1
Reverse 3.909 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.714 : 1 (52/14)
Wheels 185/65 15
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.1
Suspension
Front independent, double wishbones with double trailing aReverse and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 281 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 4
Length / Width (mm) 4435 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1519 / 1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 378
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1265
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300

Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 32.4
Top speed (km/h) 200
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 10.5
- 0 to 1000 m 31.8
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
- urban cycle 11.4
- extra-urban cycle 6.4
- combined cycle 8.2

Alfa 156 1.8 T. Spark

No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 82.7
Capacity (cc) 1747
Compression ratio 10.3 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 103 (140)
at rpm 6500
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 163 (16.6)
at rpm 3900
Timing (control) 2 OHC, hydraulic tappets and electrohydraulic variable valve timing (toothed belt), 4 valves per cylinder
Fuel feed Bosch Motronic M.E.7 electronic MPI with phased sequential injection and selective knock control, variable geometry intake manifold
Ignition static, electronic digital combined with injection, knock sensor and 4 HT coils fitted in the head, 2 spark plugs per cylinder
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive

Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.909 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.238 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.520 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 1.156 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.919 : 1
Reverse 3.909 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.733 : 1 (56/15)
Wheels 185/65 15
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.1
Suspension
Front - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 281 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 4
Length / Width (mm) 4435 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1519 / 1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 378
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1265
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 32.4
Top speed (km/h) 208
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 9.4
- 0 to 1000 m 30.7
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
urban cycle 12.1
extra-urban cycle 6.4
combined cycle 8.5

Alfa 156 2.0 JTS / Selespeed

No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 83 x 91
Capacity (cc) 1970
Compression ratio 11.3 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 122 (165)
at rpm 6400
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 206 (21)
at rpm 3250
Timing (control) 2 OHC, hydraulic tappets and electrohydraulic variable valve timing (toothed belt), 4 valves per cylinder
Fuel feed Bosch MED 7.1.1 electronic MPI with phased sequential injection and selective knock control, variable geometry intake manifold
Ignition static, electronic digital combined with injection, knock sensor and 4 HT coils fitted in the head, 1 spark plug per cylinder
Emissions control Euro 4
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.909 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.238 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.520 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 1.156 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.946 : 1
Reverse 3.909 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.733 : 1
Wheels 205/60 15
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.1
Suspension
Front independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear independent, MacPherson struts with lower side levers and reaction arms, anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 284 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 4
Length / Width (mm) 4435 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1511-1519 / 1498-1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 378
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1285
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 34.0
Top speed (km/h) 220
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 8.2
- 0 to 1000 m 29.8
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
- urban cycle 12.2
- extra-urban cycle 6.6
- combined cycle 8.6

Alfa 156 2.5 V6 24V / Q-System
No. of cylinders, layout 6 in 60° V, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 88 x 68.3
Capacity (cc) 2492
Compression ratio 10.3 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 141 (192)
at rpm 6300
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 218 (22.2)
at rpm 5000
Timing (control) 2 OHC, per row, tappets (toothed belt), 4 valves per cylinder
Fuel feed Bosch Motronic M.E.3.1 electronic MPI with selective knock control
Ignition static, electronic digital combined with injection, 2 knock sensors and 6 HT coils fitted in the head, 1 spark plug per cylinder
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.500 : 1 / 3.900 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.235 : 1 / 2.228 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.520 : 1 / 1.477 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 1.161 : 1 / 1.062 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.971 : 1 / -
6ª marcia 0.811 : 1 / -
Reverse 3.545 : 1 / 4.271 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.937 : 1 (63/16) / 2.864 : 1
Wheels
Wheels 205/60 15
Steering
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.6
Suspension
Front - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear - independent, MacPherson struts with lower side levers and reaction arms, anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 284 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 4
Length / Width (mm) 4435 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1511 / 1498
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 378
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1405 / 1435
Max. towable weight (kg) 1400
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 36 (in VI) / -
Top speed (km/h) 230 / 227
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 7.3 / 8.5
- 0 to 1000 m 27.8 / 29.0
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
urban cycle 17.5 / 17.5
extra-urban cycle 8.5 /8.6
combined cycle 11.8 / 11.9

Alfa 156 1.9 JTD
No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 90.4
Capacity (cc) 1910
Compression ratio 18.45 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 85 (115)
at rpm 4000
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 275 (28)
at rpm 2000
Timing (control) 1 OHC, (toothed belt)
Fuel feed Unijet direct injection with variable geometry turbo and intercooler. Bosch EDC 15 electronic control system
Ignition by compression
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.800 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.235 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.360 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 0.971 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.763 : 1
Reverse 3.545 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.353 : 1 (57/17)
Wheels 185/65 15
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.6
Suspension
Front independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear independent, MacPherson struts with lower side levers and reaction arms, anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 281 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 4
Length / Width (mm) 4435 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1519 / 1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 378
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1305
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 44.4
Top speed (km/h) 191
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 10.3
- 0 to 1000 m 32.6
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
- urban cycle 7.8
- extra-urban cycle 4.7
- combined cycle 5.8

Alfa 156 1.9 JTD Multijet

No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 90,4
Capacity (cc) 1910
Compression ratio 18.45 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 103 (140)
at rpm 4000
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 305 (31)
at rpm 2000
Timing (control) 2 OHC, (toothed belt)
Fuel feed Multijet direct injection with turbo and intercooler. Bosch EDC 16 electronic control system
Ignition by compression
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
CO2 emissions (g/km) 157
Electrical equipment (12V)
Battery: capacity (Ah) 70
Generator (A) 120
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.800 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.238 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.360 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 0.971 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.763 : 1
Cambio: 6a 0.641 : 1
Reverse 3.545 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.562 : 1
Wheels
Wheels 185/65 HR 15
Steering
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.6
Suspension
Front independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear independent, MacPherson struts with transverse side levers of different lengths anchored to an aluminium cross beam, reaction arms, offset coil springs, and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints and linked to the shock absorber
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 281 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 4
Length / Width (mm) 4435 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1519 / 1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 378
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1305
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300
Performance - Fuel consumption
Top speed (km/h) 209
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 9.3
- 0 to 1000 m 31.0
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
- urban cycle 8.0
- extra-urban cycle 4.7
- combined cycle 5.9

Alfa 156 2.4 JTD Multijet
No. of cylinders, layout 5, in line, front transverse, counter-rotating balancer shaft
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 90.4
Capacity (cc) 2387
Compression ratio 18.45 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 129 (175)
at rpm 4000
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 385 (39.3)
at rpm 2000
Timing (control) 2 OHC, (toothed belt)
Fuel feed Multijet direct injection with variable geometry turbo and intercooler. Bosch ED 15 electronic control system
Ignition by compression
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
CO2 emissions (g/km) 175
Electrical equipment (12V)
Battery: capacity (Ah) 70
Generator (A) 120
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.769 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.040 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.321 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 0.954 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.755 : 1
Cambio: 6a 0.623 : 1
Reverse 3.538 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.545 : 1
Wheels 205/60 15
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.1
Suspension
Front independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear independent, MacPherson struts with transverse side levers of different lengths anchored to an aluminium cross beam, reaction arms, offset coil springs, and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints and linked to the shock absorber
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 284 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 4
Length / Width (mm) 4435 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1511-1519 / 1498-1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 378
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1385
Max. towable weight (kg) 1400
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 51.89 (in 6th)
Top speed (km/h) 225
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 8.3
- 0 to 1000 m 29.1
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
- urban cycle 8.8
- extra-urban cycle 5.3
- combined cycle 6.6

Alfa Sportwagon 1.6 T. Spark

No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 75.65
Capacity (cc) 1598
Compression ratio 10.3 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 88 (120)
at rpm 6200
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 146 (14.9)
at rpm 4200
Timing (control) 2 OHC, hydraulic tappets and electrohydraulic variable valve timing (toothed belt), 4 valves per cylinder
Fuel feed Bosch Motronic M.E.7 electronic MPI with phased sequential injection and selective knock control
Ignition static, electronic digital combined with injection, knock sensor and 4 HT coils fitted in the head, 2 spark plugs per cylinder
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
CO2 emissions (g/km) 198
Electrical equipment (12V)
Battery: capacity (Ah) 50
Generator (A) 90
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.909 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.238 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.520 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 1.156 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.946 : 1
Reverse 3.909 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.714 : 1 (52/14)
Wheels 185/65 15
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.1
Suspension
Front - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear - independent, MacPherson struts with lower side levers and reaction arms, anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 281 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 4
Length / Width (mm) 4441 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1519 / 1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 360 ÷ 1180
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1315
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 32.4
Top speed (km/h) 200
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 11.6
- 0 to 1000 m 32.3
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
urban cycle 11.5
extra-urban cycle 6.5
combined cycle 8.3

Alfa Sportwagon 1.8 T. Spark
No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 82.7
Capacity (cc) 1747
Compression ratio 10.3 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 103 (140)
at rpm 6500
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 163 (16.6)
at rpm 3900
Timing (control) 2 OHC, hydraulic tappets and electrohydraulic variable valve timing (toothed belt), 4 valves per cylinder
Fuel feed Bosch Motronic M.E.7 electronic MPI with phased sequential injection and selective knock control, variable geometry intake manifold
Ignition static, electronic digital combined with injection, knock sensor and 4 HT coils fitted in the head, 2 spark plugs per cylinder
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
CO2 emissions (g/km) 205
Electrical equipment (12V)
Battery: capacity (Ah) 50
Generator (A) 90
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.909 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.238 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.520 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 1.156 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.919 : 1
Reverse 3.909 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.733 : 1 (56/15)
Wheels
Wheels 185/65 15
Steering
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.1
Suspension
Front independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear independent, MacPherson struts with lower side levers and reaction arms, anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 281 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 5
Length / Width (mm) 4441 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1519 / 1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 360 ÷ 1180
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1315
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 32.4
Top speed (km/h) 208
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 9.7
- 0 to 1000 m 31.0
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
- urban cycle 12.2
- extra-urban cycle 6.5
- combined cycle 8.6

Alfa Sportwagon 2.0 JTS / Selespeed

No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse, 2 counter-rotating balancer shafts
Bore x stroke (mm) 83 x 91
Capacity (cc) 1970
Compression ratio 11.3 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 121 (165)
at rpm 6400
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 206 (21)
at rpm 3250
Timing (control) 2 OHC, hydraulic tappets and electrohydraulic variable valve timing (toothed belt), 4 valves per cylinder
Fuel feed Bosch MED 7.1.1 electronic MPI with phased sequential injection and selective knock control, variable geometry intake manifold
Ignition static, electronic digital combined with injection, knock sensor and 4 HT coils fitted in the head, 1 spark plug per cylinder
Emissions control Euro 4
CO2 emissions (g/km) 212
Electrical equipment (12V)
Battery: capacity (Ah) 60
Generator (A) 90
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.909 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.238 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.520 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 1.156 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.946 : 1
Gearbox: 6th -
Reverse 3.909 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.733 : 1
Wheels
Wheels 205/60 15
Steering
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.1
Suspension
Front - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear - independent, MacPherson struts with lower side levers and reaction arms, anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 284 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 5
Length / Width (mm) 4441 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1511-1519 / 1498-1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 360 ÷ 1180
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1335
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 34.0
Top speed (km/h) 220
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 8.2
- 0 to 1000 m 29.8
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
urban cycle 12.5
extra-urban cycle 6.8
combined cycle 8.9

Alfa Sportwagon 2.5 V6 24V / Q-System

No. of cylinders, layout 6 in 60° V, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 88 x 68.3
Capacity (cc) 2492
Compression ratio 10.3 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 141 (192)
at rpm 6300
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 218 (22.2)
at rpm 5000
Timing (control) 2 OHC, per row, tappets (toothed belt), 4 valves per cylinder
Fuel feed Bosch Motronic M.E.3.1 electronic MPI with selective knock control
Ignition static, electronic digital combined with injection, 2 knock sensors and 6 HT coils fitted in the head, 1 spark plug per cylinder
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
CO2 emissions (g/km) 286 / 291
Electrical equipment (12V)
Battery: capacity (Ah) 65
Generator (A) 120
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.500 : 1 / 3.900 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.235 : 1 / 2.228 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.520 : 1 / 1.477 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 1.161 : 1 / 1.062 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.971 : 1 / -
Gearbox: 6th 0.811 : 1 / -
Reverse 3.545 : 1 / 4.271 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.937 : 1 (63/16) / 2.864 : 1
Wheels
Wheels 205/60 15
Steering
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.6
Suspension
Front - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 284 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 5
Length / Width (mm) 4441 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1511 / 1498
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 360 ÷ 1180
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1405 1435
Max. towable weight (kg) 1400
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 36 (in 6th) / -
Top speed (km/h) 230 / 227
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 7.3 / 8.5
- 0 to 1000 m 27.8 / 29.0
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
urban cycle 17.5 / 17.5
extra-urban cycle 8.5 /8.6
combined cycle 11.8 / 11.9

Alfa Sportwagon 1.9 JTD

No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 90.4
Capacity (cc) 1910
Compression ratio 18.45 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 85 (115)
at rpm 4000
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 275 (28)
at rpm 2000
Timing (control) 1 OHC, (toothed belt)
Fuel feed Unijet direct injection with variable geometry turbo and intercooler. Bosch EDC 15 electronic control system
Ignition by compression
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
CO2 emissions (g/km) 160
Electrical equipment (12V)
Battery: capacity (Ah) 60
Generator (A) 120
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.800 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.235 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.360 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 0.971 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.763 : 1
Reverse 3.545 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.353 : 1 (57/17)
Wheels
Wheels 185/65 15
Steering
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.6
Suspension
Front - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear - independent, MacPherson struts with lower side levers and reaction arms, anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 281 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 5
Length / Width (mm) 4441 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1519 / 1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 360 ÷ 1180
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1355
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 44.4
Top speed (km/h) 191
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 10.7
- 0 to 1000 m 32.9
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
urban cycle 7.9
extra-urban cycle 4.9
combined cycle 6.0

Alfa Sportwagon 1.9 JTD Multijet

No. of cylinders, layout 4, in line, front transverse, 2 counter-rotating balancer shafts
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 90.4
Capacity (cc) 1910
Compression ratio 18.45 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 103 (140)
at rpm 4000
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 305 (31)
at rpm 2000
Timing (control) 2 OHC, (toothed belt)
Fuel feed Multijet direct injection with turbo and intercooler. Bosch EDC 16 electronic control system
Ignition by compression
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
CO2 emissions (g/km) 161
Electrical equipment (12V)
Battery: capacity (Ah) 70
Generator (A) 120
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.800 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.238 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.360 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 0.971 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.763 : 1
Gearbox 6th 0.614 : 1
Reverse 3.545 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.562 : 1
Wheels
Wheels 185/65 HR 15
Steering
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.6
Suspension
Front - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear - independent, MacPherson struts with transverse side levers of different lengths anchored to an aluminium cross beam, reaction arms, offset coil springs, and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints and linked to the shock absorber
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 281 (ventilated)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 5
Length / Width (mm) 4441 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1519 / 1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 360 ÷ 1180
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1355
Max. towable weight (kg) 1300
Performance - Fuel consumption
Top speed (km/h) 209
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 9.7
- 0 to 1000 m 31.3
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
urban cycle 8.2
extra-urban cycle 4.8
combined cycle 6.1

Alfa Sportwagon 2.4 JTD Multijet

No. of cylinders, layout 5, in line, front transverse, counter-rotating balancer shaft
Bore x stroke (mm) 82.0 x 90.4
Capacity (cc) 2387
Compression ratio 18.45 : 1
Max. power output EC: kW (bhp) 129 (175)
at rpm 4000
Peak torque EC: Nm (kgm) 385 (39.3)
at rpm 2000
Timing (control) 2 OHC, (toothed belt)
Fuel feed Multijet direct injection with variable geometry turbo and intercooler. Bosch ED 15 electronic control system
Ignition by compression
Emissions control Euro 3: 1999/100 EC directive
CO2 emissions (g/km) 178
Electrical equipment (12V)
Battery: capacity (Ah) 70
Generator (A) 120
Transmission
Drive front
Gearbox: 1st 3.769 : 1
Gearbox: 2nd 2.040 : 1
Gearbox: 3rd 1.321 : 1
Gearbox: 4th 0.954 : 1
Gearbox: 5th 0.755 : 1
Gearbox: 6th 0.623 : 1
Reverse 3.538 : 1
Final drive ratio 3.545 : 1
Wheels
Wheels 205/60 15
Steering
Steering box rack and pinion with power steering
Turning circle between kerbs (m) 11.1
Suspension
Front - independent, double wishbones with double trailing arm and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints
Rear - independent, MacPherson struts with transverse side levers of different lengths anchored to an aluminium cross beam, reaction arms, offset coil springs, and anti-roll bar mounted on ball joints and linked to the shock absorber
Brakes D (disc)
Front: dia. (mm) D 284 (autoventilanti)
Rear: dia. (mm) D 276
Bodywork - Dimensions
No. of seats / No. of doors 5 / 5
Length / Width (mm) 4441 / 1743
Height, unladen (mm) 1430
Wheelbase (mm) 2595
Front/rear track unladen (mm) 1511-1519 / 1498-1506
Boot capacity VDA (dm3) 360 ÷ 1180
Supplies - Weights
Fuel tank (litres) 63
DIN kerb weight (kg) 1435
Max. towable weight (kg) 1400
Performance - Fuel consumption
Speed with engine at 1000 rpm in 5th (km/h) 51.89 (in VI)
Top speed (km/h) 225
Acceleration (secs) (1 adult + 30 kg):
0 to 100 km/h 8.6
- 0 to 1000 m 29.4
Fuel consumption as per EC directive 1999/100 (l/100 km):
urban cycle 8.9
extra-urban cycle 5.5
combined cycle 6.7

[Mique]

Ali pola od ovih podataka vezanih za npr. potrsnju nisu merodavni za nase uslove uglavnom zbog loseg goriva.... BTW svaka Vam cast za ove podatke ////

[byMaX]

Čekaj, jedan od vas gore napiše da je normalno da temperatura varira od 75 do 90, a drugi da mora da dođe uvek do 90? Sad kad je ovaj minus i sve, meni ne prelazi 75-80 koliko god da se vozim. Tokom leta ide između 80 i 90. Jel treba da proverim termostat?

[gile]

Ako ne obara temp kad stojiš ili voziš na otvorenom, sve je OK.