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Giuseppe Busso, tata najboljeg V6 motora ikada!!! (eng.)

Uto Nov 25, 2008 1:30 pm

Za one koji nisu to znali (verujem da ih ovde nema) Busso je ime koje stoji iza mnogih znachajnih Alfinih projekata (giulietta, giuila, tipo 33...) kao i naravno, voljene nam Arese V6-ce. Znachi, malo podsecanje na velikog choveka.

Giuseppe Busso, 1913-2006, will be remembered as one of Alfa Romeo's greatest engineers. The 2.5-litre V6 engine used in the 1979 Alfa 6 was the last project which Giuseppe Busso worked on prior to his retirement in 1977.

Giuseppe Busso was born in Turin in 1913, where he later gained his diploma in industrial engineering. In 1937, after military service, Busso started to work as a calculator at Fiat's technical aeronautical engine department (UfficioTecnico Motori Aviazione / UTMA) before later moving on to the technical experimental locomotive railway office (Ufficio Tecnico Autoveicoli Ferroviari Sperimentali / UTAFS). At the beginning of January 1939, Busso moved to Alfa Romeo where he immediately started to work in the special projects office (Servizio Studi Speciali) created by the Spanish designer Wilfredo Ricart (who later went on to establish Pegaso in his native homeland). In particular, Busso developed racing car engines and worked directly under Ing. Orazio Satta Pulìga. Here Busso worked as a researcher, developing technical theories with the aide of Satta. His work was lectured at the Turin Polytechnic, which resulted in Busso becoming a protagonist of the establishment. The engineer was hired by Enzo Ferrari as his first technical director in 1946. This new job, which Busso started on 10th June, was arranged by the legendary Alfa Romeo engineer Gioachino Colombo. At the time Colombo worked as a consultant for Enzo Ferrari during development of his first car, the Ferrari 125 Sport (the name indicating the individual cubic capacity of each of the 12 cylinders). With the design of this car, Colombo had been aided by Angelo (Lino) Nasi, the former Alfa Romeo industrial vehicle technical director, who designed the Ferrari's 5-speed gearbox and rigid rear axle. By November 1945 Colombo had recommenced work at Alfa Romeo, and had recommended to Enzo Ferrari that he should hire Busso in order to oversee development of the new V12 engine. Between December 1945 and January 1946, the 125 Sport project's technical drawings were delivered to component manufacturers. However, from then on little progress was achieved. Despite this, Enzo Ferrari was certain that his own technical staff were more than capable of developing the engine. But when Ferrari realised that this was not the case, he accepted Colombo's advice and met Busso on 15th May 1946 to arrange for him to become his new technical director. Busso's task at Ferrari was to control development of the 125 Sport project and to design the four-cam, two stage supercharged 1.5-litre V12 Grand Prix car which would first race in September 1949. Busso joined Luigi Bazzi at the Modena factory which was still occupied in producing machine tools in order to generate capital for the new car company known simply as Ferrari, Modena, Italy. Together with his assistant Aurelio Lampredi, who officially started work on 2nd October 1946 (although was already working in the workshop at the end of September), Busso oversaw the development of the 60° V12, 1,497 cc Colombo engine. In Touring form, the engine produced 72 bhp at 5,600 rpm. The first 125 Sport (chassis 01 C) was ready on the 12th March 1947, and the model debuted in May of that year at the Piacenza racing circuit. Featuring transverse leaf prung suspension and a 2,489 mm wheelbase, the 125 Sport weighed in at a mere 750 kg. A Ferrari 125 Sport later won the 1947 Mille Miglia with drivers Clemente Biondetti and Giuseppe Navone, and with this the Ferrari legend grew as a manufacturer of Italy's finest cars. After a disagreement with Orazio Satta, Gioachino Colombo left Alfa Romeo in December 1947. This was most probably due to conflicting part-time activities in designing the Ferrari and the ‘Volpe' (another car project). This move left a position vacant for Busso, and he restarted work at Alfa Romeo after being approached by Satta in January 1948. Busso became responsible for the mechanical components design department, and from then studied and planned new projects for all the Alfa Romeo models that were produced at Portello and later at Arese. This started with the 1900 and the Giulietta during the late ‘40s and early ‘50s. With the Giulietta, Busso introduced a revolutionary twin cam 1,290 cc engine that benefited from extensive use of aluminium alloy, a highly advanced idea at the time. This engine, forerunner of all subsequent 4-cylinder Alfa Romeo engines, was designed by Busso in accordance with a philosophy of weight containment that came from his training as an aviation engine designer. Busso's work culminated in the 1979 Alfa 6, which was the first production Alfa Romeo to boast a V6 engine. This model also represented the last Alfa Romeo executive flagship to be built by the Milanese company before the Fiat take-over in 1986. The Rudolf Hruska-designed Alfasud was the only exception to Busso's reign as chief engineer at Alfa Romeo, although this compact car was arguably a government project instated by INCA, the Industria Napoletana Costruzione Autoveicoli, a separate company which continued to build the boxer-engined cars until it was dissolved by the government at the time of the Fiat buy-out. Despite this, Busso did work on the first prototypes of a front wheel-drive small car for Alfa Romeo. The first of these, Tipo 13-61, was nearly realised in 1952. The baby Alfa was fitted with a transverse water-cooled 2-cylinder 750 cc engine, which in effect was half a Giulietta 1300 unit (at the time, the Giulietta was still in the development phase). Unfortunately, the project fell through due to unrealistic production costs, or as some believe a gentleman's agreement with Fiat as not to interfere with each others market. A second try in the early ‘60s resulted in the Tipo 103, which was a small four-door saloon with a transverse 1,000 cc 4-cylinder engine. Aimed below the Giulietta in size, the 103 had front wheel-drive and a 4-speed gearbox. The engine was able to produce 52 bhp at 5,500 rpm resulting in a top-speed of 130 km/h. The four-door bodywork was apparently very spacious and anticipated the design of the Giulia, for favour of which the project was suspended. During his thirty years at Alfa Romeo, Busso held many titles: caposervizio in 1952, manager in 1954, vice director in 1966, director in 1969, vice-director general in 1972 and codirector general in 1973. He retired from Alfa Romeo in 1977. In the minds of Alfisti, Busso will be best remembered for the great classics: 1900 (including the 1900 M ‘Matta'), Giulietta, Giulia, Alfetta and the Alfa Romeo 2.5 V6 engine. It was this formidable motor, and its evolution thereof, which has represented the soul of Alfa Romeo for the past 25 years. It is without a doubt recognised as one of motoring's most respected engines. Busso was also responsible for the 6C 3000 CM, TZ, GTA and Tipo 33 competition cars, the latter models arriving with the naissance of the Autodelta racing department. With the passing of Busso, we must also unfortunately remember the end of the ‘Bussone V6' era. The classic engine went out of production last year, with currently only the Alfa GT and Alfa 166, as well as the Lancia Thesis flagship model being produced with this thoroughbred Italian heart. In some countries, there are still stocks of the GTV, Spider and GTA models also fitted with this engine. The Alfa 159 and Brera use a new generation 260 bhp V6 JTS engine with Twin Phaser technology, however its aluminium construction harks back to the classic Busso design. Busso's funeral took place on Saturday 7th January at 10:30 at the San Pietro and Paolo church in Arese.
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Re: Giuseppe Busso, tata najboljeg V6 motora ikada!!! (eng.)

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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
Areze V6... :twisted:
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Uto Feb 10, 2009 10:24 am

U citavom tekstu najteze mi je palo sto su morali da se odreknu najboljeg V6 motora u istoriji automobilizma...3.2 V6 twin phaser :rolleyes: :banghead:
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Čet Feb 12, 2009 4:17 pm

Ehh da, tuga... Ali, izgleda da ce se to i ponovo promeniti... posto od te ljubavi sa GM-on ne osta nishta... Videcemo...
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Čet Feb 12, 2009 5:05 pm

Trebalo bi dva nova benzinska sestaka da izadju, ali problem je sto su prodajni rezultati ocajni, pa su svi (ne samo Alfa) odlozili svoje vazne promocije ne bi li iz postojecih modela iscedili jos para. Pored toga razvoj atmosferskog motora od oko 3.5 litra koji je imao planiranu od oko 100ks/l je morao biti zaustavljen zbog Euro 5 norme koji ovi motori u vreme dok su inicijalno bili konstruisani nisu mogli da zadovolje. Zbog toga su krenuli nanovo da ih konstruisu i to radi Paolo Martinelli licno, sef Ferrari F1 motora iz vremena Schumachera. Verovatno ce to biti sestaci manje zapremine sa turbom jer je to u trendu.

Cekamo vec jednom da krenu benzinski motori sa Uniair (Multiair) tehnologijom. Vise od 10 godina razvijaju tu stvar...to bi trebalo da bude next big thing u motornoj tehnologiji. Premijera bi trebalo da bude najesen u 1.4 turbo motoru, a mnogo se ocekuje od novog 1.8 motora koji bi trebalo da pokrece sve autmobile u gami. U sve te motore bi trebalo da se implementira Multiair sistem.

Takodje Fiat sprema novu vrstu common rail dizela Multijet 2. Priprema se novi dizel agregat 3.0 V6 cija je snaga neverovatna uz jako malo zagadjenje, po recima inzenjera koji ga razvijaju.
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Čet Feb 12, 2009 5:11 pm

Starče ajde prosvetli nas malo kakvi su to novi Uniair (Multiair) motori. :scratch:
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Čet Feb 12, 2009 5:19 pm

Motori bez leptira gasa. Snabdevanje vazduhom se regulise preko senzora i elektro hidaulickih ventila u usisnoj grani. Tako ce se snabdevanje vazduhom sprovoditi maksimalno ravnomerno sto do sada, mehanickim putem, nije bilo idealno. 20% vise obrtnog momenta na nizim obrtajima, 10-15% vise KS, 8-10% niza potrosnja.
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Re: Giuseppe Busso, tata najboljeg V6 motora ikada!!! (eng.)

Čet Feb 12, 2009 5:43 pm

Toliko to deluje prosto i logicno da prosto cudi sto to do sada nisu napravili.
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Čet Feb 12, 2009 11:23 pm

To zvuči super verovatno nisu ranije nego su forsirali dizel motore.
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Pet Apr 10, 2009 12:49 pm

Da se vratimo temi ... Jedan nedoumica :scratch: Busso V6 se i dalje ugradjuje u 166 i GT i bice u ponudi sve dok se ne povuku ti modeli iz prodaje,zar ne ??? Jel to znaci da se oni i dalje skalapaju,mislim nisu to neki sa lager i sl... p.s Avatar mi je u skladu sa temom ... :cool:
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Pet Apr 10, 2009 2:46 pm

Ne, nema vise V6 u ponudi. 166 se vise ne pravi, a u GT se vise ne stavlja taj motor.
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Pet Apr 10, 2009 5:34 pm

Aha tako znaci ... A jel postoji V6 u GT ??? Jel ovaj twin phaser ??? :scratch: :blush:
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Pet Apr 10, 2009 6:09 pm

Pa, rekoh nema Busso V6, a ni novi 3.2. Ima samo JTS 2.0 benzin i 1.9JTDm.
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Pet Apr 10, 2009 7:01 pm

Ma razumeo sam da nema Busso V6 nego sam mislio na ovaj novi 3.2,ali ok dobio sam potrebne podatke. :good: ;) Hvala :drink
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Sub Apr 11, 2009 11:10 pm

U GT nema V6?!? :blink: :blink: Ja sam uzivo video jednu sa.... :scratch:
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Ned Apr 12, 2009 6:13 am

Ma ne druze nisi lepo razumeo .... Naravo da u GT ima V6 i to ovaj "stari" V6 ali vise se ne ubacuje u ovaj model ... :cray: :cry: :bye:
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:blush: :blush: :blush:
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koji si car :thumbsup:
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Pet Apr 17, 2009 11:22 pm

po meni, GT sa 3.2 V6 24v je bio jedna od najboljih kupovina ikada... Zahvaljujuci SEKi moze se naci preko povoljnije nego ikada...
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Sub Apr 18, 2009 4:55 pm

Kada se uvede nova taksa na luksuzna vozila registracija za njega ce kostati (po svemu sudeci) dodatnih oko 2000 eur.
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:shock: :shock: :shock: A koliko je sada 1000 evra ??? Mozda ce spustiti cenu registracije :scratch: :rolleyes: E u kakvoj banana drzavi mi zivimo !!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Sub Apr 18, 2009 5:18 pm

I onda pocnu price kako su bolji turbo motori i motori manje zapremine, bla, bla... Pa kad stavis dvojicu da se trkaju pa jednom zavezes noge onda je smesno poredjenje koji je brzi. Sa takvom registracijom naravno da ce svi gledati da voze neke prcvoljke od 1.2 litra.

Tako je i sada - zbog cene nafte (nesto ranije), krize (sada) i mode (na svakih par godina nas ubedjuju da je nesto totalno suprotno mnogo bolje od onog sto je jos juce bilo dobro) sada su mali motori sa nadpunjenjem bolja opcija.

I niko da se seti da uzme kao parametre snagu motora i starost vozila umesto prevazidjne kubikaze...lenjost i nesposobnost zakonodavaca. Sada ce penzos da placa za Mercedes 300d iz 1978. vise nego sto kosta taj auto...
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Uto Maj 12, 2009 1:01 pm

Nije to lenjost, to je POHLEPA (smradine lopovske)... Ovako SVI koji voze vece kubikaze bivaju opljackani, a ne samo oni koji to realno i trebaju da placaju... Gazda od na moju firmu koji vozi NOVOG Cayena GT (+Audi Q5 3.0 tdi) ce bash da se nasekira zbog vece cene registracije :rolleyes:
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Uto Maj 12, 2009 6:03 pm

Ta reg. predstavlja njegov dnevni rashod...
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dinar gore-dole...
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